(Tech tree) Thank you Gaijin, China really needed this :). In War Thunder, the PGZ04A will be a new SPAA vehicle awaiting tankers at the top ranks of the Chinese ground forces tree in the next major update coming soon to the game. The M13 MGMC is an M3 half-track with a dual-mounted .50 calibre M2 Browning machine guns on the rear. R3 T20, OTOMATIC, Wirbel, M42 Contraeraeo. Overall not as fast as an R3, but better protected and still with a powerful weapon that can deal with air targets quite easily. Fixing the Russian mid-tier AA gap - summary of options The downsides to this vehicle is the lack of meaningful armor and poor mobility, but at the right BR it can be quite effective. Something is clearly missing. However, 25 mm autocannons only have a limited engagement range of about 2.5 km, meaning theyre really only effective as a short-range weapon against aircraft already in the combat zone. Its literally a drawing of a proposal. Yeah it is, but we've had it about 6 months longer and still no fixes, recent changes have helped a little with some but not all SPAA, 20112023 Gaijin Games Kft. A total of 1,103 units were produced from that day until May 15, 1943, though about 583 units were converted to the M16 MGMC before being delivered. M113 HS-820 (Tech tree) Russia has a major gap in mid-tier SPAAs. Idk what people think here. The 40mm can have a multitude of rounds able to be fired from it, HE-VT for example. This Is not based on an assumption or else, this Is much more. Ukrainian prototype for export to Jordan, might be added under Russia (subject to political controversy), 2 x 30mm ZK 453: 480 kg/min cyclic, 1000 m/s. Processor: Core i7 (Intel Xeon is not supported). This one didnt have the staple cannon present on the American ADATS, so only missiles. FlaRakRad - War Thunder Wiki Which in game would be very devastating for anyone on the receiving end, mainly helicopters. Its a little controversial as a pick but sadly Italy doesnt have many SPAAs that can realistically be added. Fighters may target you due to the sole designation of SPAA. It would be quite nimble and i can definitely see it at around a BR of 10.3-11.0. Similarly to the Gepard this version had a radar, which for Italy actually is super useful considering we lack any sort of radar SPAA before the OTOMATIC. The first mass-produced vehicles were launched by the White Motor Company in December 1942 as the M13 MGMC (Multiple Gun Motor Carriage). Development didn't start until October 1940 to build such a vehicle, with the purpose to protect mechanized troops from airstrikes. What is the best SPAA in War Thunder? The PGZ04As primary armament consists of a quadruple 25 mm turret, equipped with the PG87 cannons which some tankers may recognize from the ZSD63 SPAAG, introduced in a previous update. As for the VT1 against helicopters, it just allows the FlaRakRad to kill enemy helicopters quicker, giving them less time to react. As a result, tankers should have no trouble traversing the battlefield and quickly changing positions in the PGZ04A - a tactic thats well worth sticking to if you wish to remain an elusive target both for enemy ground and air units in particular! There have been many suggestions to fill Russia's mid-tier SPAA gap, which I have collected here into a list for easy reference and comparison. How To SPAA in Top Tier Battles || The American Roland XM975 (War Thunder) The minimum supported resolution for the game is 720p. All trademarks are property of their respective owners in the US and other countries. Absolutely not, the whole point of me making this thread is to show that there are Italian options that can be added. In fact, the best mid-tier Russian SPAA is arguably the Object 268, because it has half the firepower of the BTR-152A while being much better armored and also happening to have a gigantic cannon with which to defend itself against tanks. Overall its not a needed addition but can help bolster someones lineup if they need extra firepower. Though in the Tornado Gr1 at least, you are vs Mig-29s staying at that high is even more dangerous than the SPAA, Even briefly. The Multiple Gun Motor Carriage M13 is a rank I American Self-Propelled Anti-Aircraft (SPAA) vehicle It would be easy to make considering the hull for the vehicle is already in game, and the turret is similar to a vehicle that we also have in game, which as i previously mentioned helps out the devs as its not an extremely hard thing to make. So if Gaijin want to go the easy route this can easily be added instead of the OF-24. This vehicle could easily be a low tier event vehicle or cheap premium that new players of the Italian tech tree can use, to help them get a start to the tree. Video Card: NVIDIA 1060 with latest proprietary drivers (not older than 6 months) / similar AMD (Radeon RX 570) with latest proprietary drivers (not older than 6 months) with Vulkan support. In order to intercept aircraft before they arrive to the battlefield, the PGZ04A also has access to four HY-6 IR-guided missiles, mounted in pairs above its guns. At that BR the R3 T20 will receive a new set of ammunition in the form of APDS rounds. Imo these types of paper vehicles that are grounded in reality do not harm the game, i want to remind you that this game as listed by gaijin is realistic not 100% historical. Try hiding behind large hills, buildings near spawn, and other large obstacles. Therapist: Chinese Tunguska isn't real. With the M13, the armour is very thin, and the lack of sloping makes the M13 an extremely easy target. Friday's debut of "No Hard Feelings," a sex work romcom that doesn't want to admit to its own subgenre, is very much of our era. Careful, logic offends some people. But tbh, they can spot you even if you fly low. 20112023 Gaijin Games Kft. Note: This is ONLY to be used to report spam, advertising, and problematic (harassment, fighting, or rude) posts. Only 139 units of the M13 GMC were deployed overseas by the army. Could fit before the Stormer HVM, or foldered underneath it, Sidegrade for Staghound AA, possibly below it in the tree, otherwise event vehicle, Would be similar to the Lvtdgb m/40, but with less armor, 3x 20mm Polsten cannons on a Crusader, but without the enclosed turret, Side-grade to Crusader AA Mk II, or else event vehicle, Canadian modification of the Ford F60L truck to carry 3x 20mm Polsten cannons, Canadian modification of a Ford CMP truck to carry 4x 20mm Polsten cannons, Ratel fitted with a BAU-23x2 turret, sold by South Africa, Similar to the BTR-ZD, so placed similarly, The CCKW 353 truck with a quad 20mm Flak 38 turret, Would fill a similar role as the R3 T20, depending on speed, 2x 20mm guns on the Panhard AML armored car, Another Panhard M3 variant, this time with 2x 20mm guns and optional radar, Early radar option, before the AMX-30 DCA, AMX 10 armored car with twin 30mm cannons and radar, VAB armored car with the same twin 20mm turret as the M3 VDA, but with 6x Mistral SAM launchers added on (there's also a variant without the missiles), Around Roland 1, could go either before or after depending on performance, 4x 20mm cannons on an Sd.Kfz 7 half-track, with either an armored or, Either below the Sd.Kfz 251/21 or as a side-grade (depending on version), 1x 37mm cannon on a Pz IV chassis with minimal armor, Below the Ostwind, likely as an event vehicle, 1x 37mm cannon on a Panzer III/StuG III hull, around a dozen built, Effectively a sidegrade to the Ostwind, either foldered or as event vehicle, 4x 30mm guns on a Panzer IV chassis, effectively an up-gunned Wirbelwind, 2 prototypes believed to be built, Either between Ostwind I and II, or after the Ostwind II, Basically a German version of the Falcon, likely before the Gepard, 2x 30mm cannons with search and tracking radar, Either before or as a sidegrade to the Gepard, 2x 30mm guns, designed as an export turret. Ideas for some new SPAA for America : r/Warthunder - Reddit I really love Anti Air Tanks and I want to know which nations have the best ones. Nicho's new and improved Italian SPAA line for Italy - War Thunder A sub-tree is a much more practicable solution than a paper vehicle. With the lack of radar, likely to be placed below the M163, but more likely an event vehicle. Category:Anti-aircraft vehicles - War Thunder Wiki Italy is great early then craps out until the 10.3. Considering all this the obvious BR would be of 2.3. [Wikipedia] M13 Multiple Gun Motor Carriage, https://wiki.warthunder.com/index.php?title=M13_MGMC&oldid=154562, Structural Steel (Gun breech, Suspension). Work on a mobile anti-aircraft emplacement began in October 1940, as the US Army needed vehicles capable of covering mechanized columns against enemy air units. For more information, please see our The UK has a funny low br SPAA named AEC AA, but it dosent have tons of ammo Nice to just speed around and find new places for being a SPAA on the run :), russia vodka truck with 2 big boom booms ))))). All trademarks, logos and brand names are the property of their respective owners. There has been nothing touched to anything ground-based radar systems so I do not see how anything they have added would effect tracking radar for SPAA. Objectively speaking? [Development] LAV-AD: Revolving Firepower - News - War Thunder Replacing the production SIDAM-25 in the tree is the C-13 SIDAM. Commenting is no longer available for this news, This site uses cookies to analyse traffic and for anonymous statistics. None of the vehicles between the 3.0 ZiS-12 (94 KM) and 7.7 ZSU-37-2 truly work against aircraft, and even those two aren't particularly good. At the BR of 8.0, will be the OF-40 SPAA prototype which mounted the Dutch version of the Gepard turret, known as Cheetah PRTL/ATAK-35. M113 Rheinmetall RH202 (Tech tree) It has superior mobility to every other 3.0-4.0 AA. Stop spamming. Today were going to look at their Soviet counterparts! Site: http://warthunder.com/ \r Twitch: https://www.twitch.tv/warthunder\r Twitter: http://twitter.com/warthunder\r Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/WarThunder\r Forum: http://forum.warthunder.com/\r\r#WarThunder Little introduction VCC-1 Camillino with Rheinmetall RH202 20mm auto-cannon (Tech Tree) Shortly after entering service, modifications were carried out to arm the PGZ-95 with four IR missile launchers above each of its guns in order to extend its range and increase effectiveness. The LAV-AD is an American SPAA unit, developed on the basis of the highly versatile Light Armored Vehicle (LAV) chassis in the late 1980s. Just to name a few: Schwimmwagen with a 2cm Flak gun Dodge with a twin .50 9 mo. All rights reserved. (The gattling/mini gun 1, is it good?) Note: This is ONLY to be used to report spam, advertising, and problematic (harassment, fighting, or rude) posts. It could be a sqaudron but Gaijin has yet to add squadron AA vehicles, so if not it can be an event vehicle. 4 x 14.5mm KPV: 148 kg/min cyclic, 995 m/s BTR-152D. If Gaijin wishes to they could revert their old change back to what the R3 stab used to be, but understandably its not really super needed in comparision with the other proposed changed i previously listed. Can we have the BTR-152 raised to tier 3, so Russians get a decent AA vehicle at tier 3, for the events? Before that it was amazing, but now I think it's worse than the Ostwind 2. Nicho June 16, 2023, 9:56pm #1 Revamped and updated my post. Luckily 99% of ka50 players are completely brain dead so easy to kill. wiesel 1 with 20mm cannon or TOW and wiesel 2 with 4 stinger or HOT when???? MEI Mirador Eldorado Indigo. The 20mm is accompanied by a radar which again is quite rare to see on Italian SPAAs. Ukrainian but might be added under Russia (subject to political controversy), ZSU-23-4M2. German SPAAs - War Thunder Official Channel The Shooting Range #168 - Tank Triathlon section at 09:58 compares radar SPAAs. But the chinese tech tree needs a lot of high and top tier vehicles like Jaguar, Type 88, Type 85, Type 90/MBT-2000, Type 98, Type 08-Varianten, PTL-02 mit 105mm, cmon guys after 2 years this potential big tech tree have just a couple of vehicles. This page was last edited on 26 January 2023, at 10:55. https://wiki.warthunder.com/index.php?title=FlaRakRad&oldid=152425. A machine gun strapped on your tank might work in a pinch, but its no match to specialized anti-aircraft weapon systems. like yooo, if china banned all form of videosgames in mainland we would'nt have chinese tree in the first place. There are 5 mm plates inside the rear compartment (see image). Hence, always remain on the lookout for enemy aircraft. The turret design on the T1E2 was placed onto the longer M3 half-track for more ammunition storage. Minimum supported resolution for the game is 720p with Metal support. I try to avoid adding more 20mm vehicles in the main line since the tree is full 20mm AA already. The game is based around combined arms battles on air, land, and sea with vehicles from the Great War to today. I was just wondering what you would consider the best SPAA in the game, for me it is the Ki Ni, the APHE round is perfect for one-shotting planes and it has my highest kill count of any ground SPAA 47. In offence and in defence, in sun-scorched deserts and in thickly wooded forests, tanks lead the fight almost everywhere but, in most cases, they are almost defenceless when attacked from the air. Initial versions were effectively AIM-9Ds, later versions gained all-aspect seakers and pulse dopler fuses, Likely between the M247 and LAV-AD, but depends on which missiles it gets, Up to 8x Stinger missiles + 1x .50 cal on a HMMWV chassis, 9x surface-to-air missiles on an M113 chassis, with radar, 20mm Phalanx CIWS mounted on the back of a truck, includes search and tracking radar, Upgrade to the M163, possibly even above the M247, Exactly what is says on the tin, 3x 20mm Hispano cannons on an M113A1 hull, 75mm anti-aircraft gun with radio proximity fuse and 40-45 RPM fire rate on an M19 chassis, After the M42, or possibly an event vehicle, Crusader AA Mk II turret on a Cromwell chassis, with a weaker engine. Keep in mind that after firing the second missile, the FlaRakRad will not begin reloading until the second missile hits a target or reaches its max range and self-destructs. Battlefields and convoys, your pretty much only hope is long ranged AGMs on something like a harrier Gr7. finally, after nearly 2 years in the game, china gets a radar SPAA! add every single vehicle plus add subtrees of other nations, also the quadrinata not premium pls. There is no vehicle it cannot kill. Partially enclosed, wheeled BTR-50 ZPU-4. US ADATS. BR would be 3.7-4.0. You see if Gaijin finds a way to keep things grounded and also being in relation to that nation then theyll go for that option. Description The Multiple Gun Motor Carriage M13 is a rank I American Self-Propelled Anti-Aircraft (SPAA) vehicle with a battle rating of 1.3 (AB) and 1.7 (RB/SB). Valve Corporation. Praga M53/59 Jesterka, also suggested here. First deliveries came in late 1943. Feel free to add more suggestions in the comments and I will add them to the list. Aim for crew hatches and weak points in armour. People who play the American tech tree, its the same gun on the M113 Vads. It would also offer a completely different gameplay style compared to the American ADATS or the Canadian ADATS. Easy addition, nothing much more to say really, it would be at the same BR as the current OTOMATIC if not slightly lower considering the differences dont matter much. "The ZU-23-2 has been mounted on regular BTR-Ds for use as fire support for infantry sections", apparently there is a new version in the Russian Army. They are basically Chinese IGLA's, so they will be very good against low flying and slow flying planes and helis, that are for some reason close to you, Dncmaster, well with only 6km Range, this thing will be weak vs the A-7d and its Mavericks, I'm afraid that i have a feeling that these missiles are going to perform much better than Type 93 and SIDAM 25 Mistral because of reasons i might not say due to not being the right place to do. Great idea, feel free to suggest more you think could fit. Also I haven't gotten around to all of the countries yet, as I'm sure you can tell, so any help adding vehicles for those other nations it would be greatly appreciated. with a battle rating of 1.3 (AB) and 1.7 (RB/SB). The Polyphem is quite unique as it has an amazing range of 30km, a major improvement over the SIDAM Mistral which has a pathetic range of around 5km. Powered by Discourse, best viewed with JavaScript enabled, Would you like to have the R3 T20 changing role (from spaa to light tank) and receiving APDS, NVD and the stab back? Additional projects with unknown designations. Wirbelwind has to be up there, brutal against planes and can reliably take on a good amount of tanks. I used to want this as its own vehicle, but honestly i think it would be much better for all players if this became an unlockable modification. Video Card: Intel Iris Pro 5200 (Mac), or analog from AMD/Nvidia for Mac. This anti aircraft platform has nothing to do with Italy and Italo-Brasilian collaboration. Thankfully we should have enough information for it to be modeled as accurately as possibile. Experienced Ka-50/52 players will often fire multiple Vikr missiles at you, hoping that the first two of them will neutralize your missiles or they will have loaded rockets that will explode after a fixed distance and will try to shoot your VT1 missiles. this was really needed. The higher in br you go, the harder it gets (once you reach radar spaa, they never miss). Well sadly it will have to be that as there is nothing else that can be added with the current set of rules. The Maxson turret offered 360 rotation to go along with 90+ to -11.5 elevation, and was capable of power rotation at 74 per second. Espaol - Latinoamrica (Spanish - Latin America). It also dosent need anything to attack ground because of your superior mass you can push everything around like a ragdoll. Fully enclosed, tracked, with well armored hull. Compilation List of Proposed SPAA : r/Warthunder - Reddit Join the discussion with the developers! Centauro ADATS (Tech tree) Featuring a devastating arsenal and superb mobility, the LAV-AD will soon join the fight in top ranked ground battles, arriving in War Thunder as part of the next major update . Well, favourites SPAAS on my end are in the USA,German,Soviet,Italian and French Tree, alltought im not at the same br for all of them. That said this is easier to add as we have 100% confirmation that it was actually fully made and tested. PG87 cannons are highly regarded for their excellent rate of fire and good ballistic properties, ammo comes in separate belts. Patreon SRE SPAA Tips&Tricks SPAA (SPAA vs Air) Get to know how to lead an anticipate aircraft movement and when to know you are being baited or not.
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